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Posted 10/13/2005 7:58:22 AM


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I have seen this more than once.

You have an instructor, who is very good and instills loyalty. This loyalty turns to putting the person on a pedastal. The pedastal soon becomes mount Olympus and the instructor is now deified. Only to have the instructor (in a very human fashion) screw up and show his "mortalness". And many a student are devastated.

I.E.

O'Sensei is deified by many. In Ellis Amdur's book "Duelling with O'Sensei", Ellis explains his political ties (less than complimentary), as well as, the fact that O'Sensei could devote his life to Budo because he was from a privileged family. His deification, although, in good shintoist fashion came after he passed away.

Takashi Kushida (co-founder of the Yoshinkan and founder of the AYANA) He broke away from Shioda's organization and founded an organization that is designed around technical and physical isolation (they will not train with anyone outside their group, nor let anyone with aikido or other martial art experience train with them for fear of pollution). He did nothing to stop the deification process and has a nice cult to boot.

Koichi Tohei Sensei is revered to point of deification, and he either doesn't see it, or thinks it his due.


What do you think about this process? Put yourself in the shoes of an indoctrinated student. How would it effect you to have your "aikido god" fall before your eyes?

*Mike

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Posted 10/13/2005 8:48:37 AM
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...What do you think about this process? Put yourself in the shoes of an indoctrinated student. How would it effect you to have your "aikido god" fall before your eyes?

The vast majority of us have already been through a variation of this process.  At some point, most children "deify" their parents as infallable bastions of wisdom and skill.  At a later point, most children/young adults begin to notice that their parents are indeed normal people with faults and inconsistancies.  This definitely presents an interesting challenge to one's perception of the world in general, but for the most part we come out for the better on the other side having learned that one does not need to be infallable to be a crucial role model and teacher.

However, the average parent does not lock their child in the basement and intentionally present themselves in a god-like manner.  If that is what this Sensei does, then he is practicing a different kind of Aikido then I am slowly learning.  Blending with another's energy is subtly but distinctly different than bending it to one's own whim.

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Posted 10/13/2005 9:19:49 AM


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I've seen this happen on a personal level.  I know of a group of guys who are sport competitors.  They had among them one who had charisma and intensity, as well as skill, who was at the core of their group, sort of the 'glue' that kept their team cohesive.  Socially, his intensity was held in balance by the light-hearted guys that were also on his team.  On his own, he could kinda be a mini-napoleon because of his intense drive and ambition.

He was killed in a tragic accident at middle age, and quickly got deified by his team.  Rather suddenly, he went from a balancing influence on the group to a saint and his views were suddenly overpowering the delicate balance of intensity and sensibility.  It was amazing to watch someone go suddenly from a respectable man that was a little quirky to a nearly flawless saint in the eyes of his friends and teammates.  I suppose they were afraid to lose or diminish their love for him and chose to honor him by taking his ways more to heart and making them 'gospel'.

We have the power to look upon others in any light we wish.  One can be respectful to our mentors without having to be a grovelling follower.  I find a great irony in the passing of knowledge from O'sensei regarding aikido. He seemed to constantly tell his students to keep exploring and learning, that there was much more to aikido than he could ever learn.  After his passing, his closest students at the time decided not to heed those words and have kept aikido as close to identical to his techniques as they could.  They allowed their admiration and love for him blind themselves.  There is a place for loyalty and respect, up until the point that it makes you do stupid things.  Just about any cult is a perfect example of this.  Unfortunately, there seems to be an abundance of blind followers and no shortage of egomaniacs that like to be worshipped.

Many times we hear the analogy that we 'walk a path'.  In our case, our instructors are guiding us along that path.  It seems like some aikido schools have sat down in the path and made a home right where O'sensei left them.  I think to truly respect the man as the innovator he was, they would have take up his passion for pressing on along the path to find even better technique and greater innovation.

It is sometimes very strange what we do when we fear forgetting someone after they part from this world.

That is my take on it.  As for the question:
Put yourself in the shoes of an indoctrinated student. How would it effect you to have your "aikido god" fall before your eyes?

He would only fall as tall as the pedestal I put him on.  Every person is the dojo is just that, a person.  Each one has commanded my respect - in their own way.

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Posted 10/17/2005 4:56:12 AM


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I think that is why it is good to go to seminars and train with other Senseis. That way the students who have a tendency to put people on pedestals will see that other "ways" are good too. I think once a Sensei does "fall" for that student it is a good test of that students character whether or not they can get past that and keep training. I do also think it is sad for those people whose only experience of Aikido becomes this cult like thing.....Yes O'Sensei did alot of great things and he brought us this wonderful art we love, but he was just a man. SO is koichi tohei ("and Koichi Tohei said there was KI and it was Gooood!" hahahaha). I think instructors are easier to relate to when you can see their flaws and connect with them as a regular person. Helps you when you can see that they were where you were once.

I deified someone once, when I was 13. The crash was hard, but I learned alot from it.

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